Oct 8, 2020
PCPs (primary care providers) are really important to population health. Primary care is the foundation of any well-functioning health system, I am sure many listening to this podcast know well. For the Triple Aim to happen, patients really need access to robust primary care. This has been affirmed by almost anyone who looks into it. And yet, in this country, our system sort of anemically supports our primary care colleagues.
As a general statement, poking and prodding and procedures are compensated at a far higher rate than anything requiring cognitive services. What a PCP or a pediatrician mainly does all day is really cognitive. It’s listening and thinking and counseling and coordinating.
But here is maybe an underappreciated point: If we’re going to measure PCP performance, then we need the right measures to measure that performance. You might be doing this measurement as a basis for incentives or maybe for continuous improvement programs. Either way, if you don’t have the right measures, then maybe great primary care is under-rewarded or your continuous improvement process is counterproductive—you’re incenting the wrong things, you get the wrong activity. And to add to that, PCPs (ie, practices) can spend upwards of $40,000 a year of uncompensated time trying to add and subtract and tote up the difference in all these varied and potentially inapplicable measurement standards coming at them from all manner of directions.
My guest in this health care podcast is Rebecca Etz, PhD. Dr. Etz and the team over at The Larry A. Green Center have worked hard to create a set of 11 performance measures for primary care. These measures went through the wringer as far as their creation and validation. These 11 measures take into account what patients want, what primary care clinicians (including pediatricians, nurse practitioners, and others) think is most important and possible to provide, and what payers want to pay for. These 11 measures are aligned across the three stakeholders, and they are actionable. Neither of these descriptors is anything to take for granted.
Rebecca Etz, PhD, is associate professor of family medicine and codirector of The Larry A. Green Center, which is in Richmond, Virginia, at the Virginia Commonwealth University.
You can learn more at green-center.org.
Rebecca S. Etz, PhD, is an
associate professor of family medicine and population health at
Virginia Commonwealth University (VCU) and codirector of The Larry
A. Green Center—Advancing Primary Health Care for the Public Good.
Dr. Etz has deep expertise in qualitative research methods and
design, primary care measures, practice transformation, and
engaging stakeholders. Her career has been dedicated to learning
the heart and soul of primary care through three main lines of
inquiry: (1) bridging the gap between the business of medicine and
the lived experience of the human condition, (2) making visible the
principles and mechanisms upon which the unique strength of primary
care is based, and (3) exposing the unintended, often damaging
consequences of policy and transformation efforts applied to
primary care but not informed by primary care concepts. As a member
of the VCU Department of Family Medicine and Population Health and
previous codirector of the ACORN practice-based research network,
Dr. Etz has been the principal investigator of several federal and
foundation grants, contracts, and pilots, all directed toward
making the pursuit of health a humane experience. Recent research
activities have included studies in primary care measures,
behavioral health, simulation modeling, care team models, and
adaptive use of health technologies. Dr. Etz currently leads the
fielding of a weekly survey regarding the response to and impact of
COVID-19 on US primary care practices. She also serves on the
National Academies of Medicine consensus study, “Implementing
High-Quality Primary Care.”
03:41 Why is primary care one of the “best-kept secrets” of
better health outcomes?
08:38 “Measures are a form of communication.”
08:51 “If the way that you are assessed does not actually match up
with the work you do or what you find to be important, it’s pretty
demoralizing.”
11:41 “It is the outcome of health care, but it is not the same
thing as quality.”
16:31 “It creates a financial incentive to hit a target by any
means necessary.”
18:06 “We incentivize people to have good outcomes, and what that
means is that electronic medical records are no longer simply
databases that tell us what the health of the population is. They
are databases that tell us what is the optimal picture that a
clinician is able to paint of their patients.”
21:07 “Primary care is a relational field.”
22:14 “How does this relate to cost and utilization?”
26:43 “I think we all know that fee for service is death.”
27:11 How has the measure of PCPs in the time of COVID held up?
27:32 What measure performs worse in the time of COVID?
28:17 “Primary care is the place that everybody goes.”
31:16 EP270 with Dave Chase
and EP272 with Guy
Culpepper, MD.
You can learn more at green-center.org.
Rebecca Etz of @GreenCenterOrg discusses #primarycare performance on this week’s #healthcarepodcast. #healthcare #podcast #digitalhealth #healthtech #pcp
“Measures are a form of communication.” Rebecca Etz of @GreenCenterOrg discusses #primarycare performance on this week’s #healthcarepodcast. #healthcare #podcast #digitalhealth #healthtech #pcp
“If the way that you are assessed does not actually match up with the work you do or what you find to be important, it’s pretty demoralizing.” Rebecca Etz of @GreenCenterOrg discusses #primarycare performance on this week’s #healthcarepodcast. #healthcare #podcast #digitalhealth #healthtech #pcp
“It is the outcome of health care, but it is not the same thing as quality.” Rebecca Etz of @GreenCenterOrg discusses #primarycare performance on this week’s #healthcarepodcast. #healthcare #podcast #digitalhealth #healthtech #pcp
“It creates a financial incentive to hit a target by any means necessary.” Rebecca Etz of @GreenCenterOrg discusses #primarycare performance on this week’s #healthcarepodcast. #healthcare #podcast #digitalhealth #healthtech #pcp
“Primary care is a relational field.” Rebecca Etz of @GreenCenterOrg discusses #primarycare performance on this week’s #healthcarepodcast. #healthcare #podcast #digitalhealth #healthtech #pcp
“I think we all know that fee for service is death.” Rebecca Etz of @GreenCenterOrg discusses #primarycare performance on this week’s #healthcarepodcast. #healthcare #podcast #digitalhealth #healthtech #pcp
How has the measure of PCPs in the time of COVID held up? Rebecca Etz of @GreenCenterOrg discusses #primarycare performance on this week’s #healthcarepodcast. #healthcare #podcast #digitalhealth #healthtech #pcp